Wątek: Once it all comes to an end

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1 z 34: ArcticMoon

Hello.

To be honest I didn't think I'd write such a post, but I'm seriously concerned about a few things. Therefore I think, you have all the rights to know my decisions connected to this application, since I'm a moderator.
Today I learned a piece of information from pretty sure hands that has changed my attitude to many things in a 180 degree turn. Not in the right direction.
I, personally, will never, under any circumstances, support a foundation or an application that threatens innocent people with court, without reason, without any evidence. I am never prepared to contribute to an organisation that makes decisions on the basis of trumped up charges. I will never stand by an initiative that openly propagates a cult of personality, a political affiliation. I will never support people who can destroy anything without warning because they are capable of it.
Many people may wonder what I am talking about. Unfortunately, the accused is no longer able to speak, but neither will I.
What's more, I am quietly disappearing and no longer willing to moderate this platform.
Thank you all for everything. My morale will no longer allow me to participate in this charade.
Thank you Zvonimir Stanečič for opening my eyes.

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14.06.2024 20:22

2 z 34: djsenter

Everyone needs a purpose and a reason to do what they consider to be right, sometimes this also means writing vague, public statements. Nevertheless, I think it's fair to inform the community that Arctic Moon hasn't discussed her decision with us and after sending exactly the same message to our moderation group on Telegram, she has left it, so we do not know, what she is refering to exactly, though I personally have a couple ideas. In any case, more updates on this situation coming up soon, thank you.
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14.06.2024 20:33

3 z 34: daszekmdn

Unfortunately, we had no chance to discuss anything, Arctic has left the moderation group right after her statement, without any consultation with the team or myself. I consider this kind of behavior to be very unprofessional.
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14.06.2024 20:39

4 z 34: ArcticMoon

In short, I'm referring to the recent events which have happened in the polish community, in connection with
1. Someone's ban because she hurt the girlfriend of the main developer,
2. Zvonimirek222's ban because of a case which didn't even happen,
3. The dozens of morally unethical things done recently.
I didn't write much because I don't think it's a public information, as there aren't any public details about this in the polish community either.
I'm just shocked.

-- (djsenter):
Everyone needs a purpose and a reason to do what they consider to be right, sometimes this also means writing vague, public statements. Nevertheless, I think it's fair to inform the community that Arctic Moon hasn't discussed her decision with us and after sending exactly the same message to our moderation group on Telegram, she has left it, so we do not know, what she is refering to exactly, though I personally have a couple ideas. In any case, more updates on this situation coming up soon, thank you.

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15.06.2024 15:21

5 z 34: daszekmdn

It's lie. Noone wasn't banned without any proows and reasons. As for the first issue, nothing of the sort has occurred.
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15.06.2024 15:42

6 z 34: rudolf

It's a lie, if even.
Anyways, I am honestly not even thinking this is a lie. I can'T believe it for 100 percent, but I also don'T think it's a lie.
-- (daszekmdn):
It's lie. Noone wasn't banned without any proows and reasons. As for the first issue, nothing of the sort has occurred.

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15.06.2024 15:52

7 z 34: ArcticMoon

It is not. Ask Pajper or Zvonimirek222, they're going to tell you more if you are interested. I don't want to make a public case about it all for the safety of the people involved in it.

-- (daszekmdn):
It's lie. Noone wasn't banned without any proows and reasons. As for the first issue, nothing of the sort has occurred.

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15.06.2024 15:55

8 z 34: daszekmdn

I know the case and that what you said is a lie.
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15.06.2024 15:59

9 z 34: rudolf

Are you able to prove this?
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15.06.2024 16:15

10 z 34: ArcticMoon

I talked to the people themselves who are involved. Unfortunately nothing to deny here.
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15.06.2024 16:27

11 z 34: rudolf

Hmm, if you mean me, I actually mean Dash :D
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15.06.2024 16:30

12 z 34: ArcticMoon

Yeah I thought so.

-- (rudolf):
Hmm, if you mean me, I actually mean Dash :D

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15.06.2024 17:06

13 z 34: marchoffmann

But well arctic now you made everybody curious so ay. Why not spit it out
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15.06.2024 17:38

14 z 34: pajper

I will write a short summary here without going into details because the case is ongoing.
Three users were banned for hacking into the account of one of the Polish users (guessing the password).
All three admitted to these logins, and the explanation and decision on the further course of the proceedings are ongoing.
#StandWithUkraine Shoot for the Moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.
15.06.2024 18:37

15 z 34: ArcticMoon

Basically Pajper is threatening a user called Zvonimirek222 with court, as he found his IP address in a log.
There's a polish user, the name I'm not revealing, who, for some reason, hurt Julitka, the girlfriend of Pajper. I, personally, have no idea about what she said or did, but at the end she got banned from Elten for exactly this reason.
I didn't really understand when she got unbanned, but after a while she started to go around with statements such as she usually creates very weak passwords because she doesn't think anyone would guess it, and she is doing this so she remembers all her passwords.
How much time has passed since then, I have no idea. But someone hacked the account of this polish user. Why? Noone knows, but the thing was done, there's no coming back.
Zvonimirek222 didn't believe the proces was so easy as they told him, so after someone already hacking the account, he also logged in for a second to realise the person isn't liing. But they have hacked the account before him acting.
It turned out she had a password which she uses in several places,such as Teamtalk, and as we know, passwords are stored in a simple txt file there.
So after all of the drama and several long discussions between Zvonimir and Pajper, the main developer decided to go against Zvonimir by taking the situation to the court. It doesn't matter Elten has no graphical interface so neither he, nor Zvonimir can show anything. Moreover, since Pajper owns the server, he is able to delete all the evidence by pressing a single button.
Dawid has sent him a few documents regarding the situation, telling him he is able to take it further if he wants to.
What the reason will be, noone knows.
An IP address of a user was found in some logs of Elten?
I think a user hacked a different user on a random social platform for the blinds?
I don't know how many of you know Zvonimir. I don't want to defend him or anything similar, but he just has no time to do such things.
He is translating NVDA to croatian and polish, develops RH voice, studies on two courses at university at once. Why would he need an Elten account, if there's no way to even copy or back up private messages, or get anything even if you are logged in? On the other hand, if Elten had a feature to reset passwords, such things wouldn't happen at all.
Isn't it a bit hilarious to take such a thing to the court without any evidence of any sides?
Of course there's a foreseeable outcome, as Pajper has a whole foundation behind him, while Zvonimir is alone. And well, more money always wins.

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15.06.2024 18:44

16 z 34: Julitka

OMG, Arctic, where do you take this gossip from? xdd I know noone hurting me, especially the user the account was hacked. You totally mix all the stuff. xd
-- (ArcticMoon):
Basically Pajper is threatening a user called Zvonimirek222 with court, as he found his IP address in a log.
There's a polish user, the name I'm not revealing, who, for some reason, hurt Julitka, the girlfriend of Pajper. I, personally, have no idea about what she said or did, but at the end she got banned from Elten for exactly this reason.
I didn't really understand when she got unbanned, but after a while she started to go around with statements such as she usually creates very weak passwords because she doesn't think anyone would guess it, and she is doing this so she remembers all her passwords.
How much time has passed since then, I have no idea. But someone hacked the account of this polish user. Why? Noone knows, but the thing was done, there's no coming back.
Zvonimirek222 didn't believe the proces was so easy as they told him, so after someone already hacking the account, he also logged in for a second to realise the person isn't liing. But they have hacked the account before him acting.
It turned out she had a password which she uses in several places,such as Teamtalk, and as we know, passwords are stored in a simple txt file there.
So after all of the drama and several long discussions between Zvonimir and Pajper, the main developer decided to go against Zvonimir by taking the situation to the court. It doesn't matter Elten has no graphical interface so neither he, nor Zvonimir can show anything. Moreover, since Pajper owns the server, he is able to delete all the evidence by pressing a single button.
Dawid has sent him a few documents regarding the situation, telling him he is able to take it further if he wants to.
What the reason will be, noone knows.
An IP address of a user was found in some logs of Elten?
I think a user hacked a different user on a random social platform for the blinds?
I don't know how many of you know Zvonimir. I don't want to defend him or anything similar, but he just has no time to do such things.
He is translating NVDA to croatian and polish, develops RH voice, studies on two courses at university at once. Why would he need an Elten account, if there's no way to even copy or back up private messages, or get anything even if you are logged in? On the other hand, if Elten had a feature to reset passwords, such things wouldn't happen at all.
Isn't it a bit hilarious to take such a thing to the court without any evidence of any sides?
Of course there's a foreseeable outcome, as Pajper has a whole foundation behind him, while Zvonimir is alone. And well, more money always wins.


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15.06.2024 18:57

17 z 34: marchoffmann

Um, just saying, this omg xd xd stuff doesn't sound believable either...
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15.06.2024 19:04

18 z 34: Julitka

I am sorry for my incorrect spelling, but it comes from a mix of amusement, surprise and disgust I feel after reading such an unbelievable story. Omitting all these "xds" and "OMGs", all the rest remains true - I do not know who the hacked user is, anyway. :)
***- A czego się boisz, Eowino? – zapytał. - Klatki – odpowiedziała. – Czekania za kratami, aż zmęczenie i starość każą się z nimi pogodzić, aż wszelka nadzieja wielkich czynów nie tylko przepadnie, lecz straci powab.
15.06.2024 19:06

19 z 34: pajper

This story has absolutely no connection with me or Julitka. In fact, I don't know the parties involved at all.
#StandWithUkraine Shoot for the Moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.
15.06.2024 19:08

20 z 34: marchoffmann

O ok smilyface. I see smilyface. When arctic has done that it wasn't normal either, laughing smilyyyy.
Don't trust people if they don't give you a good reason to. They'll use it against you. Love them, But ask God whether yes or no.
15.06.2024 19:10