Wątek: Once it all comes to an end

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21 z 34: ArcticMoon

I don't dare answering to this one, as I might risk being banned if I say something wrong.
I say only one thing. I know it from reliable sources and the right hands.

-- (Julitka):
OMG, Arctic, where do you take this gossip from? xdd I know noone hurting me, especially the user the account was hacked. You totally mix all the stuff. xd
-- (ArcticMoon):
Basically Pajper is threatening a user called Zvonimirek222 with court, as he found his IP address in a log.
There's a polish user, the name I'm not revealing, who, for some reason, hurt Julitka, the girlfriend of Pajper. I, personally, have no idea about what she said or did, but at the end she got banned from Elten for exactly this reason.
I didn't really understand when she got unbanned, but after a while she started to go around with statements such as she usually creates very weak passwords because she doesn't think anyone would guess it, and she is doing this so she remembers all her passwords.
How much time has passed since then, I have no idea. But someone hacked the account of this polish user. Why? Noone knows, but the thing was done, there's no coming back.
Zvonimirek222 didn't believe the proces was so easy as they told him, so after someone already hacking the account, he also logged in for a second to realise the person isn't liing. But they have hacked the account before him acting.
It turned out she had a password which she uses in several places,such as Teamtalk, and as we know, passwords are stored in a simple txt file there.
So after all of the drama and several long discussions between Zvonimir and Pajper, the main developer decided to go against Zvonimir by taking the situation to the court. It doesn't matter Elten has no graphical interface so neither he, nor Zvonimir can show anything. Moreover, since Pajper owns the server, he is able to delete all the evidence by pressing a single button.
Dawid has sent him a few documents regarding the situation, telling him he is able to take it further if he wants to.
What the reason will be, noone knows.
An IP address of a user was found in some logs of Elten?
I think a user hacked a different user on a random social platform for the blinds?
I don't know how many of you know Zvonimir. I don't want to defend him or anything similar, but he just has no time to do such things.
He is translating NVDA to croatian and polish, develops RH voice, studies on two courses at university at once. Why would he need an Elten account, if there's no way to even copy or back up private messages, or get anything even if you are logged in? On the other hand, if Elten had a feature to reset passwords, such things wouldn't happen at all.
Isn't it a bit hilarious to take such a thing to the court without any evidence of any sides?
Of course there's a foreseeable outcome, as Pajper has a whole foundation behind him, while Zvonimir is alone. And well, more money always wins.


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15.06.2024 19:11

22 z 34: ArcticMoon

If you don't know the parties involved in the story, from where are you having evidence and the required materials for the upcoming events happening with the court?

-- (pajper):
This story has absolutely no connection with me or Julitka. In fact, I don't know the parties involved at all.

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15.06.2024 19:13

23 z 34: Julitka

I suppose my own hands, as a part of a story that does not even exist, are the most approppriate. I can officially declare - I do not know and probably have never contacted the Polish user whose account has just been hacked. And, what is more, I suppose she has never been banned in any of Elten Communities.
***- A czego się boisz, Eowino? – zapytał. - Klatki – odpowiedziała. – Czekania za kratami, aż zmęczenie i starość każą się z nimi pogodzić, aż wszelka nadzieja wielkich czynów nie tylko przepadnie, lecz straci powab.
15.06.2024 19:14

24 z 34: ArcticMoon

The fact that if not her, but someone else was banned for the reason of hurting you is still ridiculous, it doesn't matter to whom it happened.
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15.06.2024 19:18

25 z 34: pajper

It's probably obvious, we have access to user data, mails, IPs.
The account of a person I don't know was hacked. We have never exchanged a single private message with each other before.
All I know is that her account was hacked and her blog was deleted. Yes, it was told that they did it because she made accusations against the girlfriend of one of the users. No, not my girlfriend, another stranger's.
But hacking is never the right response to slander. You can sue, I offered to provide the logs for the trial. You can also try to reach an agreement amicably. But if someone wrote something bad about you in the newspaper, you don't respond to it by breaking into her house and damaging the computer she wrote it on.
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15.06.2024 19:19

26 z 34: Julitka

First and foremost, it would be justified, as the rules say clearly, that offending someone may be an approppriate cause for being banned. But noone was banned because of hurting me. I have never made any claim to any of the Moderation and Elders Team and that is the only reason for ban anyone globally.
*edited: wrote "anyone" instead of "noone" - sorry.
***- A czego się boisz, Eowino? – zapytał. - Klatki – odpowiedziała. – Czekania za kratami, aż zmęczenie i starość każą się z nimi pogodzić, aż wszelka nadzieja wielkich czynów nie tylko przepadnie, lecz straci powab.
15.06.2024 19:20

27 z 34: ArcticMoon

This happens when a whole application is in the hands of only one user, who refuses to moderate any of the communities, or take part in the development of the whole community.
In 2018, when I registered, this place was cool. And as years have passed by, my theory was proven.
Elten nowadays consists of a huge polish community, a messed up english one, and the other ones aren't active at all.
Posts which moderators or admins don't like, get deleted. There are two different sets of rules, and three if we count the one in the menu of the application as well.
We have no proper systems for anything. As if everything was started, but nothing was finished.
And now all these events... It will be pretty hilarious if Elten loses and they find out that the program supports pirated content by allowing users to download from youtube.
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15.06.2024 19:26

28 z 34: ArcticMoon

In fact, against you I have nothing. You can't do anything since you are neither an admin, nor a moderator. You are just a user, as we are.
Since the person who told it all, can't speak anymore, (a very good way to silence people anyway), he already can't tell what happened in fact.
To be honest I've joked with him like hey, create a new account, it's possible, he didn't do so.
Well, after all, our moderators' position is that if you haven't done anything from your second account, there's no reason to ban you.


-- (Julitka):
First and foremost, it would be justified, as the rules say clearly, that offending someone may be an approppriate cause for being banned. But noone was banned because of hurting me. I have never made any claim to any of the Moderation and Elders Team and that is the only reason for ban anyone globally.
*edited: wrote "anyone" instead of "noone" - sorry.

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15.06.2024 19:29

29 z 34: Julitka

You didn't respond to any of my arguments. And, what is more, you are wrong, saying it is not ok for pajper not to engage in any community. He was engaged for really long, to 2019, 2020, I suppose. Sorry, I cannot remember for now. But users declared it is not fair for pajper to be an administrator, that he is involved too much. And that is why we decided to maintain democratically chosen administration for all the language communities. There are only two set of rules on EltenLink - one, global, applicable for all the users regardless of their language community, saying, for example, that when you insult someone, you can be banned globally if a damaged person makes an approppriate claim, and the second one, applicable for specific language communities. Global rules are necessary, as, for example, English user may insult Polish one and vice versa. Language community rules are necessary too, because they apply to specific conditions of any language group and that is what you, English Community users, find crucial. You underline that any language group maintains its own climate, so it is necessary to make some inside regulations to make the Moderation Team's work efficient.
If, as you've just said, you have nothing against me (so do I, by the way), and you find me a party in a story you told here, why don't you believe me as a party, but you believe a random user, no matter if he is being accused of hacking someone's account or not?
***- A czego się boisz, Eowino? – zapytał. - Klatki – odpowiedziała. – Czekania za kratami, aż zmęczenie i starość każą się z nimi pogodzić, aż wszelka nadzieja wielkich czynów nie tylko przepadnie, lecz straci powab.
15.06.2024 19:42

30 z 34: Julitka

By the way, I cannot understand the acceptance of creating passwords so simple that they can be guessed and the account can be hacked. If the password was guessed, it is not safe enough and the person hacked is partly guilty because of her carelessness. Hackers are much more guilty, off course.
***- A czego się boisz, Eowino? – zapytał. - Klatki – odpowiedziała. – Czekania za kratami, aż zmęczenie i starość każą się z nimi pogodzić, aż wszelka nadzieja wielkich czynów nie tylko przepadnie, lecz straci powab.
15.06.2024 19:44

31 z 34: ArcticMoon

I'm believing the person because he hasn't done anything wrong or questionable. I don't understand why an adequate person would hack an elten account just because why not. And what's more, why to show you are strong and are able to take it further, if this is nothing more than just a random program about what knows like a percent of the world, if not less.
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15.06.2024 20:13

32 z 34: marchoffmann

Just curious, what does the signature of our new mod mean.
Don't trust people if they don't give you a good reason to. They'll use it against you. Love them, But ask God whether yes or no.
15.06.2024 20:19

33 z 34: ArcticMoon

About rules:
1. Group regulations in the context menu of the english group, which at some parts speaks against itself.
2. 0: : Rules and Regulations For The Elten Official English Community Group!, Author: Paulinux, posts: 3
3. Terms and conditions under the help menu.
These are three different rulesets, which are officially available. These rules at some places go against each other, but in general, everyone must accept them without questions. I don't know if you have such problems in the polish community, but we definitely do.
It's just impossible to moderatre if moderators themselves think about a new rule if they aren't justified. My favourite part while moderating was the "if a person hasn't broken any rules with his second account, there's no reason to ban them." I mean wtf? The person has already broken the rules by creating a new account.

-- (Julitka):
You didn't respond to any of my arguments. And, what is more, you are wrong, saying it is not ok for pajper not to engage in any community. He was engaged for really long, to 2019, 2020, I suppose. Sorry, I cannot remember for now. But users declared it is not fair for pajper to be an administrator, that he is involved too much. And that is why we decided to maintain democratically chosen administration for all the language communities. There are only two set of rules on EltenLink - one, global, applicable for all the users regardless of their language community, saying, for example, that when you insult someone, you can be banned globally if a damaged person makes an approppriate claim, and the second one, applicable for specific language communities. Global rules are necessary, as, for example, English user may insult Polish one and vice versa. Language community rules are necessary too, because they apply to specific conditions of any language group and that is what you, English Community users, find crucial. You underline that any language group maintains its own climate, so it is necessary to make some inside regulations to make the Moderation Team's work efficient.
If, as you've just said, you have nothing against me (so do I, by the way), and you find me a party in a story you told here, why don't you believe me as a party, but you believe a random user, no matter if he is being accused of hacking someone's account or not?

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15.06.2024 20:20

34 z 34: daszekmdn

As the author of the project has addressed the issue and clarified everything, I consider the matter to be over and close the topic, not wishing to allow the drama and the provision of untruth to continue.
Koniec kropka, idź do żłobka. A ze żłobka na ulicę, i pocałuj babę w cyce.
15.06.2024 21:10